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sanjibm
09-01-2004, 03:58 PM
A little about myself : I'm working in a IT consultancy firm in Bangalore for the past 6 years. As a student, I had picked up a avid interest in Electronics and Robotics and Control Applications in general. After over 15 years, I am still comitted enthusiast.

I salute the efforts of this site to promote robotics! A job very well done.

Like most of you, I have found that procuring electronic components, specialized parts and tools is a huge problem in our country, and in a way lack of availability of specialized components, limits our creativity.

Not too long ago, I had envisioned setting up India's 1st Online Electronic Components Storefront, but was worried about the market for such an entity and the possibilty of going bankcrupt in the process. This community has renewed my interests.

I appeal to all users of this forum, to put forward their views on such an Online Storefront that caters soley to the Electronics/Robotics Hobbyist and Enthusiast.

What kind of Storefront would you want? What value added services can be provided? Whats the critcal factor to ensure its success? What kind of components would you like to see here?

A framework for this is in the making.

While such a store cannot claim to be non-profit, my aim is to start the ball rolling, and establish a reliable, easy to use, friendly service. Ideally, any revenue generated in this effort will fuel further investment in this Storefront, ie, acquiring import licenses to procure specialized parts, etc.

I seek guidance for this initiative. Any help will be appreciated.

ice
09-01-2004, 05:06 PM
Sanjib,
It would really be great.Maybe u'll be the "Digikey" for India.

My suggestion:
1> Every part that is up for purchase should have it's quote and stock availability.
2> It would be awsome if u could partner with someone who sells stuff we don't get over here
like servo motors[it costs double here], Radio modules, etc.

i'll come with more ,maybe later.
I wish u luck in your venture.
bye,
ice
//gerry

vikas
09-01-2004, 06:43 PM
Hello

If you provide components that are not availlible in india count me in as a prospective buyer . Maybe also sell custom boards and other modules readily abailible in outside but not india you will shorely find buyers !!!.

rao
09-01-2004, 10:12 PM
Sir,

It would be real great if you can come up with such a store..

one problem that we face in online shopping is the unavailability of credit cards with enthusiasts... being students.. the upkeep is real difficult.. and both credit cards and paypal are paid facilities...

It would be better if you can come up with some alternate but equally secure medium of transaction and stuff...

And like vikas and gerry said.. if you can come up with unavailable parts and stuff for reasonable price..you can count me in!!

Best of luck

Rao

gamegurus
09-01-2004, 10:29 PM
We already have some online stores in india,
Here is the list,

http://www.sunrom.com/
http://www.aplusindia.net/
http://www.circuitsonweb.com/
http://www.hobbykits4u.com/
http://www.discoverprojects.com/

Circuitsonweb is here since 2000 and is located in mumbai, but didnt seems to make much profit to upgrade to better,

Regards,
GG

vikas
09-02-2004, 09:47 AM
I know of the existence of these site ....

Here are the poblems ....

Dont offer any exotic components which i cant find near my local market
Most have prices which a 4 times which i can buy over here
Ill be better off buying things from US based sites than the ones that are being run Indians ( Cause it turns out at 4x US is much cheaper with the things they have to offer ) .

Indian Website
MICRO CONTROLLER PROGRAMMER (15V DC)

A Serial interface (RS232) programmer board for writing your favorite MCU code compiled in Intel HEX format on to the AT89C51, 52, & 55 flash MCU. [Programmer Software and Serial Cable Included] This is being offered for Rs 1650 ..... But can be buit for < RS 300 for the same config Now why should I Buy it from you its even more than 4x .



A US based Site
For exaple i can buy a mini camera ( NTSC 160x120 line B/W for about 15 $ ) . Even if you offer what they are offering at similar prices im wiling to Buy .

My advice - Offer unique things ( uC / distance sensors / LCD's / Steppers / Servos / uC Boards / Drives etc at reasonable prices ) also provide some kind of docs and tutorial to encourage usage .

mexx
09-02-2004, 12:50 PM
Provide something like RF modules at cheaper prices.The shipping charge of these modules cost more than their original price when being purchased from outside india.

regards
mexx

sanjibm
09-02-2004, 02:33 PM
Thanks for providing your valuable inputs!

As Vikas and Mexx have pointed out - I am planning to provide these (uC / distance sensors / LCD's / Steppers / Servos / uC Boards / Drives / RF Modules / assorted mechanical gears, boxes / wheel assemblies / actuators / specialized logic chips ), however. these will be a gradual process, once the customer base is established, and the demand pinpointed.

There are 2 ways to go about this :
1. Tie up with existing importers and get these items
2. Import them independently

The costs involved are significantly different, and affect the end buyers.

There are numerous suppliers who get these imported, and they probably end up in some automobile plant on the outskirts of Pune.

What is needed is a systematic consolidation of these items. I'm estimating that 80% of what we need is already in the country, yet its just so difficult to track down. I could be wrong.

Students without credit cards, is a good point. Thats also why some of the exisiting sites don't sell. What is required is a payment-upon-delivery scheme to target students. Consumerism here will some day learn that trusting customers like us wholly has its benefits.

One of the practical and economic difficulties in establishing this kind of a retail source is identifying customers who help sustain the revenue. And on the face of it, the demand for these items are limited (Though I personally don't think so)

After talking to some business folks, I agree that a ongoing sales of regular electronic components is first required to fuel procurement of the specialzed items. (We have to start somewhere!)

Unknown, hidden pockets of enthusiasts need to come together in forums like this. I am also asking the students on this forum : How are you willing to help? I am currently conducting a survey among engineering colleges to understand how much of genuine interests exist among electronics related grads. Someone whos in it soley for the job prospects isn't a prospective customer. I hope the results of this survey are positive. However I could use a larget sample size for the survey.

If you order something from the US, what are the sites that you frequent? Where do you think they stock it from?

The US makes very little by themselves, and most of it is sourced from our own neighbourhood - Taiwan, Malaysia, Japan to name a few.

Logically, it should make more sense to get them directly.

At the moment I'm trying to identify some of these neighbourhood sources, to identify suppliers where these US based retailers tap in on.

They don't sell to enthusiasts like us, but perhaps they can be fooled by a disguise!

Keep those suggestions coming...
Sanjib

gamegurus
09-02-2004, 03:30 PM
I do product development in Industrial Electronics,
I never worry about how to get a part, I just select what i need and order it from any of the following International Supplier, even in qty of 1-5 Nos.

http://www.digikey.com
http://www.mouser.com
http://www.jameco.com
http://www.jameco.com
http://www.futurlec.com
http://www.future-active.com

Once my product is done from research part, I then contact semiconductor manufactuerer and talk about quantities.

This works quite well for me,

Cheers,

GG

gamegurus
09-02-2004, 03:43 PM
Lots of things that i order from international supplier are available at lamington market,
The problem is,

They are not consistant in what they sell,

Many times they request free samples from
http://www.analog.com
http://www.national.com
http://www.microchip.com

And they sell us with a price. That is why if you get to see major semiconductor manufacturer has stopped sending samples to India.

Also many ICs on lamington road are stamped, fooling people to puchase things which dont work,

I personally understand indian market supplies, Not reliable, Dealing with sindhi's who make a fool of people.

There are genuine supplier too, who are always consistant in what they supply and good price, genuine parts. Have to be careful, only experience can teach that.

Now about setting up a online component store, India is a huge market already, There is a big gap between hi-tech things and things available to normal people. If some one can even fill the gap, it wont be cheaper,
When we talk about getting good parts at cheap rates, its the quantity that makes it cheap.

If the site sells 89C51 programer for 500/- imagine 100/- profit, if it does not get enough sales, it just cant sell at 500/- anymore, Where goes the site maintenance cost, inventory costs, PCB costs, development cost, assembling testing cost, it just cant sell below 1000/-

Component procurement and supply area is not easy as it seems for india.

Cash on Delivery model was implemented before, You know what ppl ended with, Damage & Loss of items in Indian Post, Delay for days, Not only that many post office does not accept VPP that is Cash on deliery mode, They have so many stupid rules and regulations. That you have to pack you items in cloth and such stupid things, How do u think site can give COD facility. They did but now stopped.

Regards,
GG

subot_robot
10-03-2004, 11:45 PM
Hi Sanjibm,
I am with you. To cater the indian electronics enthusiastics you don't need to open a full fledged online order system and credit card payment. May be you can create a simple website listing all the components, price, minimum order quantity and so other details. You can ask the purchasers to make payment through demand draft or check. and send the ordered parts through courier. you will certainly get lots of support from online guys like us. you can expand the business as u reap more profit and make it completly online transaction.
as far as importing issue arises u can import in small quantities from online retailers from US or any where and sell it us say at 10% profit. this will encourage lots of guys to get components from india even though at slightly higher price. delevery time will be greatly reduced. as number of orders pick up u can directly import from company. i myself am planning to get 10 IR ranger gp2d12 from US.
please let us know what other issues are there to be solved. we will discuss. we are all looking forward for online robot store.
may be we can encourage some of the guys to make modules like sonar range finder, microntroller board, pcb. and sell it through online shop. students will be earning pocket money through this part time ventures and beginners will be greatly benfitted.
please post ur opinions

regards
subot_robot

ingenium
10-04-2004, 06:10 PM
hi,
if u are planning to sell distance sensors, then u already have a prospective buyer. i want acroname srf08 by some indian company or vendor. plz start it as soon as possible.
Subhasis

sanjibm
10-18-2004, 03:26 PM
Thanks for all your comments!

At the moment, I'm still creating a basic portal to display the categories and products, and engaged in identifying local component sources.

As I've pointed out earlier, the main hurdle is establishing the infrastructure for supplies.

Any of with an interest and good contacts/experience are welcome to send me a private message if you would like to help out in a larger capacity.

Sanjib

nabe
02-16-2005, 02:00 AM
GREAT idea...There is lot of need of servo,stepper,rf modules in india..
It will be very helpful..
Plz make it online as soon as possible..

Thanks