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No legged robot.

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When I started to make robots, a line follower was something out of the world. Well, those were the 'dark' ages, when PC existed only with the rich. The fastest machine ran at 44MHz, CD drives were not invented, and the huge old 5 1/4 floppy disks were stored in air conditioned rooms. Forget internet, forget microcontroller. The biggest names in electronics were the 8255, 8085 and the likes, which I have never seen. But then, there was vegakit. There were kits for running lights, 25+25 watts amplifiers, kits for 4 tone sirens, and a lot of stuff. Lot of stuff. You buy the 'Tony' 25 w soldering iron, buy the kits, and solder the kits. and it works. Sometimes we buy the common board and solder projects from electronics for you, and it almost never worked. These happened about 18 years back. On the higher side, there were kits for pocket radio, and the black and white television. The best resource were books. Library books. and there were a series of books from BPB, which i still have. Circuits based on 555, circuits for games and a whole lot of them. There were thousands of interesting projects, and almost all of them were under 200 Rs circuits, those years. Things were fun.

And someone said, let there be Internet.

And it spoiled it all. Google came, saw and ***ed it up. ( fill the stars with letters suitable to your brain :P )
It killed reading, it killed thinking. People became overnight experts without knowing how to read a resistor. Kids started to put a camera in everything they made. They would connect two wires to motors and call it a robot.

And since people love games, they invented the robosoccer. You dont need a robot to play it, but the decision of the judges will be final. You may or may not get the prize money, but if you are lucky, you might get a certificate if you win. in case you dont know how to make a machine, you can buy it on the way to the competition. in case you want to make it big in the national television, you can import a robot, change the name to yours. No one will know, and even if they know, they know that you know that they know. Chalega. And you can always say - "First time in India" - There is always a first time..(for you!)

Laziness, comes with technology. So does Ideas. What if, someone want to order a resistor when he was s***ing? he can order it with his phone, do online payment, and by the time he gets out, the courier guy will knock on the door with an idiotic smiling face. And there you get your resistor. or anything under the sun. And if, you dont have the money or time for an online portal, never mind. Somebody has already spent the money for you. You find some of those sites where they discuss things, and post what you have to sell. Dont forget to leave your email ID, phone number or things like that. And make it look like you do it for the well being of the entire man kind. They cant ban you trying to uplift the man kind, can they?

Makes me wonder. What, is a robot, and what does a robot look like?
Before Internet, i had a vision. About the robot. From books, from TV. From my teachers. A robot with hands and legs. A robot which will do a lot of things, talk to you, at least walk. A robot which can 'do' things, intelligently.

Is it because we realise that we cannot make such a robot, that we call everything we make, a robot?

This post, was motivated by this thread:

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  1. niranjanjoshi_2288's Avatar
    surprisingly there is not even a word in that thread that suggests it to be a robot neither have i claimed it to be a robot it is an embedded project !!!!anyways i don't take offense at this post and feel that people are wasting effort and time criticizing others over here and some of them have taken to dis job quite seriously and do it on a daily basis!!!

    any ways i think people have either misread the post as a robot or may be they have themselves created new definitions of robots (may be to adjust to modern times) or have heard of some people talking about such projects to be bots or have themselves done so in the past.
    or may be they have nothing to assume and so have deduced inferences from their intelligent robots that they have created that others have a perception that a PC Operated wireless car is somehow a tough competitor to their advanced robots that are out of the world.

    or may be it is plain nostalgia of good old times

    my sugesttion

    move on and get a life
  2. niranjanjoshi_2288's Avatar
    before the internet u had a vision but i think that vision has blurred so u cant read a simple post
    i resisted offending but its something that is getting ugly by the day so forgive me and if u cant i don't care
    but rest assured i will not use abusive language over here like u have done to prove ur intelligence and level of thinking.
  3. allbits's Avatar
    @niranjan : Thanks for stopping by to read the blog.

    The forum was meant for good discussions in Robotics. Let us discuss/learn robotics there. If your project is an embedded project for sale, RoboticsIndia is not the right place to post it for sale. Ebay would be a better option.

    The blog, is my personal view, and I stick to it. This particular blog post was 'motivated' by the thread, and not Motivated by you.

    but then, If you get offended/irritated/angry reading my post, it is your problem, not mine.
  4. niranjanjoshi_2288's Avatar
    its the language that u have used that is offending
    if e-bay is the right place then why is there a sell and buy section on this site
    i posted the thread in that section not in a discussion section!!
    if u realy r intrested in good discussion then why r u wasting effort and time on all such posts and wasting ur language skills writting such articles and getting motivated by the wrong things
  5. niranjanjoshi_2288's Avatar
    Its not why you should not sell. It doesn't matter if some people sell it or not. I have sold stuff to people, i have made a lot of money, and i hate to do that now, i dont do it now, because i dont feel it is worth it.

    these are ur words if i am not wrong posted at the very same thread u got motivated by

    so as now u dont feel like making money out of projects it has suddenly become unethical!!!!!!!
    hippocracy at its best
  6. allbits's Avatar
    Cool down, kid.

    Those are my words, and I have sold lots. But have i written anywhere what i have sold? I have guided 500+ projects, over these years, but never even once, have i 'sold a project'. of anything of that sort. or anything complete that they can plug and play into their semester requirement. I have not, ever, advertised anything - that I guide projects, Online, or otherwise - not in a newspaper, I have not printed a brochure, or even a leaflet. I guide people who come to me, and guiding projects is not the way i earn my bread and butter. Find a single post from me at RI or any other forum, advertising anything what I do!

    I dont even Guide students these days, because I find its not worth it. That is my personal choice. That, has nothing to do with the forums.

    The buy and sell section is to sell robotic parts, or anything like that.

    Why, i wrote this blog, was how the student project/workshop markets has taken over the scenario that its killing real interests or real talents. RI had a lot of good discussions earlier, I have learnt a lot in my initial stages of learning robotics by following discussions in RI, and of course many other forums. We dont see it much now. I dont see many of the earlier participants here these days, and its been a long time I saw doc here. The forums are misused by vendors, and workshop people. And thats when you came in with a ready made solution, with complete report, and everything. That was the threshold.

    It does not directly affect me if someone, thousands of kilometers away, sell a ready made stuff to someone who I have never seen or heard, in my life. But if that person uses a platform, which is community driven, you will have to respect the views of the people in the community. If you dont, you get treated bad. You can keep on commenting on this blog for ever, but that is not going to help you in getting what you came here for.
  7. mcufreak's Avatar
    Well.....may be its obsolete but let me speak.
    Any enthusiast/hobbyist knows from bottom of heart that selling ready-made projects is wrong.
    @Allbits when you were providing paid consultancy/guidance I dont think you had not ethics that you have now, you really had point to support your view morally.
    If I talk practically...... when you see that the students are buying ready-made projects and you are able to do that you will try to save them.

    What are the options infront of you???
    1)You can not tech them everything because they dont want.
    2)If you do it for themselves without any payment(or cost of components) and put your hard efforts for nothing thats impossible.
    3)If you let them buy from a shop and dont do anything they will end up with 2-3 times more price and zero demonstration for that.

    So its my personal opinion that if you sell a project to someone.....its wrong but if you let him buy for more price and less demo. from a shop...... even thats not right as you can save him plus earn a little money to support yourself.

    Yes advertising it on RI is definitely wrong........ thats why i have apologized for my post.

    And Sir as per new versus old is concerned...... of course today its bette. There are some idiots who think they have made a 'robot' but yes if one really wants to make a robot.... definitely its easier today

    See what Dave Jones says about it